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I think that if you can't enjoy the game (television show, video, etc.) in front of your family, then you probably should not be playing it at all. Violence breeds apathy, and our kids have enough violence to deal with already. I will be avoiding this game (even though I completely enjoyed the first one) at all costs.
Todd -September 1, 2004
Everyone is talking about games and movies being to violent. I believe they are too, but people have a right to choose what they play or watch. Why can’t the industries make the games Maturity level selectable and do the same for movies.
Richard Nelson -September 1, 2004
The funny thing about games and movies in our era is that these industries, parent groups and the government go out of their way to create ratings systems to keep the public informed about the nature of the content of the products involved and then we get squeamish about the fact that parents around the country are too busy, too tired or too apathetic to make use of the rating systems. I have a ten year old daughter who is very interested in games, but I know what she's playing and when she is playing it. That is very much MY responsibility. The game and movie companies have already fulfilled their responsibilities by labeling their products appropriately.
Peter -September 1, 2004
I think the game is just fine. It's not like the company is forcing anyone to play it/buy it. Of course, people still need to make sure they still know and understand the difference between reality and virtual-reality, because if they get confused... well, we know what happens.
Ryan -September 1, 2004
I'll pass. I always have an interest in new graphics capabilities and programmer abilities and art skill (and storyline), but as a parent of young kids I would rather not have them play this and therefore I won't. Luckily I have little desire to. I still have a whole rack of other video games I haven't finished anyway.
John -September 3, 2004
Lemmings, all of you... Nothing but lemmings.
KW Burton -September 5, 2004
We are a result of our experiences. We all adapt to our surroundings, something which slows as we get more mature. Picture this – what influence did a book you read once have on your perspective on events in your adult life? A kid in Sudan knows how to use an automatic, quite normal in that situation. Now consider what the effect is for immersive video games. All I’m saying is that doing stuff makes it ‘normal’ – we can only guess what the longterm effect this will have on our society.
Kev -October 23, 2004
If a parent disregards the M label printed clearly on the front, then they are not smart enough to be parents. I know that if I had a child I would never let them play this game, but so games are appropriate for children. I am a big gamer myself and I always review the game before I play it so I know that I am not getting myself into something I don't like. If a parent can't do that then they shouldn't be parents.
Autumn -October 26, 2004
What we all need to realize is that it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their kids the difference between reality and fiction. Sorry if I'm just repeating what's been previously stated, but as a hardcore gamer and an RPG fanatic, that is the truth. I was taught young to recognize the difference, and even though I get into character to the point of feeling what they "feel", I never get confused. I am myself, and though I've created and control many characters with different personalities, that will never change. If a person can't understand that their experiences in a game will probably never reflect their experiences in the real world, they shouldn't be playing games where they have to "get into character" and play a personality that is most often quite noticeably different from their own.
Arliss -November 5, 2004
It's not video games that make kids agressive, it's thier parents or the people the environement they're in. if kids can't tell the difference between reality and fanasy, that's the falt of the parents. i'm 15 and play violent games, but i know the difference. It's not like i'm going to go around shooting people, thinking that i'll appear at the nearest hospital. i'm not an idiot, so stop having paraniod dellusions about VGs. if your kids screwed up in the head, it's your falt!
Andy -November 22, 2004
The problem in today's society is that everyone blames video games for how kids are behaving. And, truthfully, the ae partially a cause. But not all of it. If parents bring their kids up right, and teach them from right and wrong, and what is real, and not real, most of the problems will solve themselves.In all reality, i have seen too many parents sit their kids in front of the tv, and expect their kids to learn about life through games. If this happens, then yes, they will get violent. But that is because they only thing they know about is what happens in the games. These games only aggravate an already present feeling or feelings. People are too easy to blame the media for all of society's problems. If we would only take the time necessary to spend with our kids, and learn what these games entail, then most of this violence will cease.
Andrew -November 29, 2004
There are some kids out there who will take a gun and shoot somebody. But Videogames are not the problem it is the age of the person playing them. I do not think anyone under the age of ten should play a M rated game. There is no reason why they sould play it in the first place. I am 18 years old and i love playing Grand Theft Auto i just think that little kids sould not play M Games
Pat -December 1, 2004
In all honesty, i would have to say that no kid under 16 or 17 should play M-rated games. It's the same as letting 13 year-olds into an R-rated movie. It just shouldn't be done. But regardless of their age, if kids are brought up to know what is accepted and what isn't in society, then they would most likely understand that a game is only a game. What ever happened to the "innocence of youth"? I know that society is changing, but shouldn't kids be able to enjoy their childhood, instead of palying video games? I no longer see any "pick-up" hockey, baseball, etc. Whatever happened to imagination? I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with playing video games as a kid, but there is one rule that everybody should follow: Everything in moderation.
Andrew -December 3, 2004
Hey at least my parents do there job, I was begging for my 16th birthday to have DOOM3 cause everyone was talking about it at school. We went to the shop to get it, and just as I picked it up, my mom grabbed it out my hand, examined it, read it and then she said: "YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT, THATS GROSSE, SOMTHING LIKE THAT WOULD FREAK YOU OUT, WELL IT WOULD FREAK ME OUT!!!" and I said: "Theres nothing TOO bad, just a little freaky stuff". Then she said: It's a 18 and your 16 no buts. Your not havning it, IT'S got FRIKIN ZOMBIE WITH A CHAINSAW ON THE BACK OF THE BOX FOR GOD's SAKE!!! I did not speak to my mom for a month after that. Anyways I've downloaded the demo and now, I'm to much of a big girls blowse to run it. DAMIT! Guess the ratings people were right.
Im Jon Im 16 I live in the UK -December 20, 2004
About what Autumn said, my grandparents bought me Doom 3 for Christmas and I am not even 18!!! Are you insulting my family, because you had better not be! It's adult's choices to buy games for their children and grandchildren and not yours! So what if it is rated M??? I like Doom, damn it! I like the graphics and the fun of it! Oh, yeah, the article was good. I would give it a perfect 7. Dude, your article is good, but I think you should feel safe enough to play the game in front of your kids. My Dad would always play Doom 2 in front of me, and I could even play at his house. Yeah... My dad kicks ass in that game. Autumn, heed my retaliation!!!
Joe Cool -January 2, 2005
Dear diary I am living in the UK and I think ponies are just dandy. I like picking roses, but one day, I picked a rose, and it stabbed me. I bleeded and cried and sucked my thumb and I screamed all the way home. I do not know what an article is, but I will give it a perfect ten, because the guy avoids the words pony through the entire article. I did not mention that I played Doom 3 before, and a pinky demon charged at me, and I cried, and I screamed and I sneezed and I laughed and I wet myself all at the same time
GayPophead -January 2, 2005
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My life is unaffected by Doom 3. Doom 2 is just as good, only not in graphics compared to Doom 3. My word you stupid Autumn, why did you have to criticize the lives of the family members of my friend Joe Cool [all names in our families while in a chat room/ opinion roster must remain confidential] Autumn, whoever you are, I am giving you a piece of my mind when I am telling you: Ratings are only warnings that the content is not for everyone. The ratings do not need to be adhered to, and Joe Cool's grand parents are smart enough to be parents, so, if you want to insult my friend's grand parents, suffer the consequences!!!!!!! This may seem harsh, but it is idiotic of you to judge parents by how they buy games and if they obey the rating or not!!! Oh, yeah, and for the record, I think that if you criticize the parents/grand parents of other people, you are just turning a distraction another way so nobody else finds out what a terrible job you do as a parent. This crap comes from people's mouths every day, and you seem to do this extra-often, you mean criticizer! Oh, yeah, retaliation feels good. Oh, about your article, dude, you seem to be over-protective of your child's egos. Loosen up, you psychotic quack! Remember to pay your malpractice, and understand that a child is not stupid; a child can differ from the real thing and virtual-reality. The stuff in Doom 3 would not suddenly pop up on your doorstep, So it would possibly be good to let your children watch you play Doom 3. You might have to switch them to rubber sheets for a couple nights, but other than that, they would probably build courage, especially if you turn notarget mode on and let them let an imp have it with the chainsaw. Then, they would probably feel that they could take on any challenge. Advice from your local Psychologist, Dockos Mackorphos
Dockos Mackorphos -January 2, 2005
About the rating... Why is it that everyone thinks no one under 16 or 17 should play this game? What is so horrible about it? Does everyone really think people are really that inept to be able to tell reality from fiction? I'm 15, and I love this game. (I played the original Doom when I was 4, ok.) I really think this should be rated T, and the M rating changed to 21+ or somewhere near, and reserved for underage drinking, whatever else.... welp really, only that. What's the point of the M and AO rating if there is only one year difference? Refering to what someone said earlier... Why shouldn't 13 year olds be allowed in R rated movies? No one is going to become any more metally mature from the time they're 13 to the time they're 17. Maybe 13 to 25-ish, but not 17. One year will make no difference, and reading about the restrictions of rating because "teens" are "immature" makes me want to be more violent than these games "persuade" me to be... The rating system makes me sick, not this game.
bcr8u -January 13, 2005
You are like my brother, bcr8u. I played Doom II when I was 4. I was surprisingly good at that age. My Dad taught me the basics when I was little, but other than that, I have beaten the game left and right, just like my father before me, because even he had help from his friend, Grant.
MAn -January 16, 2005
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I have a strong opinion, backed with observation of watching my two sons play video games, with ratings for Everyone and Teen and this is what I have discovered. First, they become intraverted...isolated from everyone and everything going on around them. Secondly, they become obsessed with playing the game...playing, if allowed, until they go to bed at night and wanting to play when they first wake up. Thirdly, I have noticed an anger towards anyone who asks them to stop playing. They become so drawn into the game and getting to the "next level" that they have to be told too many times to stop. I, as a parent, wish video games did not exist. But because they do and my children have been exposed to them, outside of our home initially, I have had to deal with this problem. It can be used in a positive way. First, I encourage parents to not allow their children to play anything over the rating of Teen. Anything beyond that is simply too violent. They will become bored with Teen and want Mature, then they will become bored with Mature...then what??? It is called the "law of diminishing return", it is never enough. Use their desire to play to their advantage. Require your child to read aloud to you, along with writing a one paragraph paper on what they read (to make sure they comprehend) in order to earn time on the game. I have my children read 5 books to earn 1 hour's worth of time. I also try not to let them play during the week. School comes first. Hopefully this mom's views will be appreciated and applied in your home.
Terri -January 24, 2005
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Joe Cool -February 4, 2005
Terri, even MY mom wishes video games not to exist, but you have to understand that Tom Sawyer did not have very good hand-eye coordination. Why? He didn't have video games. He just read books and stuff. BORING. Sure, I read a lot of books, but if the world could only have one or the other, I would choose video-games.To play one hour of a game, I don't think it is worth the time to read 5 BOOKS!!! Unless you are talking about small, 10 page books, I still mean what I said.The rating system is, what someone said earlier, what makes me sick, not Doom 3 or any video games.You, Terri, need to learn to not trust the rating system. Those idiots at ESRB don't even know what they're rating. Peeshah!!! That is such Bull Hunky!
Joe Cool -February 4, 2005
you cant call doom,finaldoom,or doom3,in my opinion violent its not nearly as violent as the human mind will allow humans as a being created much worse then doom and were worshiped for it like the gladiator games no one had a problem with julius did they. and war humans fight over stupid stuff and any one who has a problem with doom should look at their surroundings for a second theirs worse out there and no one else trys to "help" by geting rid of them.
scott -February 10, 2005
I despise the rating system as well. I recently found out that the guys over at ESRB don't even play the games to rate it. The Developer of the game makes a movie of it to give to the people there and that is where they get the rating from. Yah life is BS but I have already learned that lesson.
sneakySOB -February 14, 2005
Doom 3 i agree is violent but its really your choice if you don't want your child to see it then don't let your child see it, buy it and play it at a friends or something.Or keep it out of reach from your kids and play it when there not there.When you think its time for them to see it then show them it. If they start getting angry when you tell them to get off the computer or console then just unplug it and tell them you unplugged it and it can't work without it and say if you want this back you are going to have to stop playing so many videogames and instead read or go out and do something else.your kid will obivously want the pc back on so he will do it just to play on it
dav -February 15, 2005
It's just a video game.If people can't handle the game than don't buy it.Kids should be taught by parent that video games aren't real and that most video games do have some nasty stuff but lets face it.Most people would rather see Janets breast pop out than a person being killed.
adam -February 16, 2005
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I really only play games for the Entertainment, but I can really see where the adults are coming from by not letting young children play these 'M' rated games... but I also agree with Cool Joe. There really is equal to or even worse violence/language in movies or TV shows today. Doom 3 has blood and gore but so what? I'm 13 and I have at least 5+ 'M' rated video games that I play with pleasure. I dont play these 'gory' games to unleash violence, but to get it out of my system. Like if someone were to make me mad at school, I'd come home and blow some guts on Halo or Doom 3 for about an hour or so, then I feel refreshed. I mean it really all depends on the kid's mind and how they interperate the violence/language that they see. So to sum it all up, In my opinion these games no matter what rating should be for entertainent use only, not to program a kid into a killing machine. It's not like the games are tools of destruction, secretly manufactured to brainwash the viewer into thinking "Hey that'd be a cool way to blow up one my mortal enemies." or "thats what I'ma do to so and so If he makes fun of me tomorrow, maybe I should bring a gun to school in case he does." fact is It's rediculous but possible.
Castillo -February 17, 2005
That game is so awesome they really need more like it. People need to stop crying about video games. Like he said up there its time to put in some work.
Nate Dizzle -February 22, 2005
Okay yeah, I'm 14 and I have a copy of this game for PC. I am a bit puzzled, I heard a guy say, 13 year olds shouldnt be playing these games.....hmmmm, I'm 14 and yet this game has no effect on me. Well it does, it has an effect on my fear factor definently raised a notch. I can mentally intake and handle this game fine. The violence..-yes, it is very gory, bloody. If you shoot a demonic marine with a shotgun, he'll explode in a spurting of blood guts which will in turn paint itself on nearby walls. The story of the game, I actually laughed my head off. The story makes the plot of Resident Evil make sound like something Shakespear came up with. Doom is violent, yes, but if u are mature ENOUGH to INTAKE THE GAME MENTALLY then its fine. I dont reccomend 8-year-olds playing this game though, since that will have a mental effect on them. One day an 8-year-old will fall down the steps by accedent and say, "Mommy! Mommy! I got attacked by a demon where's the reset button??!!!"
Zachary Cairns -April 2, 2005
Hello im 12 and even I know the difference i mean, i have Halo 2, GTA Vice City, and GTA 3, trust me the parents should know if their kids can handle it.
Chris -April 7, 2005
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This game isnt as bad as you think, its so fake its funny, and fun. Anyway I let my 8 year old son play this game because he likes killing "bad guys" and trying to avoid the demons of hell, I play with him, mostly when my wife is out, shes not very friendly with these type of games. But Ive been playing Doom since I was 5 and me and my dad got Doom 95 just to play with each other, Im still looking for a mod so I can do that with my son, and I found one! But I agree, this game is much too violent for some children, SOME. Anyway I trust my son and I know he can take it. I also tell him the diffrence between video game and Doom 3. although the exception of one time I told him "If you ever use a gun or say bad words, they are going to get mad at you and steal your cookies at bed time." he went to school the next morning and another kid said "Son of a *****!", my son ran up to him and said "Don't say that! The dead people from hell are going to kill you!" and the yard duty said "kids shouldnt be reading the bible.". I have no clue why he said "kill" or what that yard duty teacher said that but that kid never said said anything like "*****" again and so did many other kids. That phrase catched on faster that the fricken boogie man, im still not sure what I have done was good or bad but... Im off to reserve Doom 4.
Dale Kanaska -April 10, 2005
hey im 16 and i own at least 20+ M games and their not that bad, sure there is blood gore but i really don't think kids are run out and start killing people with a chiansaw. Well i have played and beaten the following Mrated games. HALO 2 DOOM 3 GOD OF WAR GTA3,VICE CITY,SANANDRES ETC. (NO WAY AM I AN ADDICT)i have very good grades and adults like these congress people need to stop CRYING anout violenct in video games. Well i bet they go home and play violent video games them selves. I wish to rest my case in saying that adults NEED TO STOP CRYING ABOUT VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES, they need to srtat on things more imoportant like drugs. STIOP CRYING NOW.
mark -April 15, 2005
first if you have to waiut till your family goes to bed to play DOOM 3 your sad. why even did i wast my time tyeping this or reading your article.
joe -April 15, 2005
The only reason anyone should be worried about their children playing explicitly violent games, is if the childs parents don't pay any attentionto what their children are playing. I'm not saying children should'nt be allowed to play games such as Doom 3, so long as they understand it is just a game, and so long as their parents know what they're playing.
Skip -April 16, 2005
"I, as a parent, wish video games did not exist." Terri is a sick ****!
hah -April 16, 2005
I mean to say, Terri is a sick KUNT
hah -April 16, 2005
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Connected Home Home Networking Home Controls Mobile Home Office Audio Visual Xbox N-Gage Search Forums August 31, 2004 | Paul Thurrott | Getting Connected DOOM 3 Arrives: Technology Apex or Video Game ****? ADVERTISEMENT Download Napster 2.0 In the guise of a space Marine, I slowly wander through a dark and destroyed base on Mars, jumping as demonic voices wail from behind doors and walls. It's a legitimately scary situation, not unlike that of a well-made horror movie, and it's as realistic as something out of my worst nightmares. There's just one difference: This is the DOOM 3 video game I'm describing, not a movie. I'm interacting with its ghastly environment on my PC, not vegging out on the couch or in a movie theater. This somehow makes the experience even scarier, because any movement on my part can trigger a horrific attack from the monsters that populate the base. I haven't jumped this much, literally, since the first DOOM came out over a decade ago. Not coincidentally, I have the same feeling about the latest rendition of this title as I did about the original: As technically impressive as DOOM 3 is, I can't help but think that there's something horribly wrong with enjoying this thing so much. The problem, of course, is the violence. DOOM 3 is epically violent, as you might expect from a first-person shooter. However, unlike similar titles that came before—for example, Half-Life, Quake III Arena, or Unreal Tournament 2004—the action in DOOM 3 is so stunningly realistic and believable that your immersion is much more total, and that gives the violence much greater impact. You feel every creaky floorboard, every swinging light in a darkened room, every explosion of sudden activity deep down, and if you're trigger-happy—and let's face it, in the situations DOOM 3 puts you in, you will be—you'll have plenty of opportunity to dish out as much pain as you receive. Demons, monsters, and zombified ex-Marines and scientists lurch at you from the dark and explode in a riveting display of blood and guts that cover the walls and floors in realistic patterns. You can see the evidence of past ravages as well, and sometimes you simply need to follow an all-too-realistic trail of blood to find the next clue. But don't spend too much time crouching down in the dark: Creatures are watching you. And they're waiting for you to turn your back to them. My wife's opinion notwithstanding, I'm a reasonably mature adult. Although the R-rated violence of DOOM 3—excuse me, it's rated M for Mature in video game speak—is among the most gruesome I've seen in any game title, I can pretty much handle it, assuming most of the lights are on. What I'm increasingly concerned about these days is the effect that a game such as this will have on children. I find it hard to believe that most of the millions of already-sold copies of DOOM 3 are in the hands of adults. Many clueless parents would probably never even realize how realistic this game is or how wrong it would be to allow a kid to play it. And, of course, DOOM 3 is coming out on the Microsoft Xbox system soon, as well. And DOOM 3 isn't a title I can play around my own children. Like most children, my 6-year-old son Mark is a huge fan of video games, and he actually enjoys watching me play certain games on the computer. Whereas the comparatively cartoonish nature of a game like Unreal Tournament 2004 can be fairly easily explained away as a virtual sporting event, the gruesome graphics and scenarios of DOOM 3 would cause too many unwanted questions. But that's what makes DOOM 3 even more like gaming *********** in my mind: It's something to be hidden and not brought out in front of the family. I actually wait until everyone's asleep to play this game. I feel a bit weird about that. In the end, I don't condemn id Software, the makers of DOOM 3, for making the game they wanted to make. Certainly, it has a rich storyline, amazingly developed interactions with non-player characters and the environment, and plenty of gut-wrenching action. And I know enough about the business to know that other companies will license the DOOM 3 technology and create their own games, many of which will be far sunnier and more kid-friendly than id Software's trend-setting title. But as much as I like DOOM 3—I've already completed the game and am now replaying it, more slowly, as if to savor it, in order to make sure I haven't missed anything—I can't shake the feeling that admitting I like something like this is tantamount to admitting that there's something horribly wrong with me. But I'll get over it. I've got work to do. On Mars. Click here to find out more! Article Information Find Related Articles Email this Article Printer-Friendly Reader Comments I think that if you can't enjoy the game (television show, video, etc.) in front of your family, then you probably should not be playing it at all. Violence breeds apathy, and our kids have enough violence to deal with already. I will be avoiding this game (even though I completely enjoyed the first one) at all costs. Todd -September 1, 2004 Everyone is talking about games and movies being to violent. I believe they are too, but people have a right to choose what they play or watch. Why can’t the industries make the games Maturity level selectable and do the same for movies. Richard Nelson -September 1, 2004 The funny thing about games and movies in our era is that these industries, parent groups and the government go out of their way to create ratings systems to keep the public informed about the nature of the content of the products involved and then we get squeamish about the fact that parents around the country are too busy, too tired or too apathetic to make use of the rating systems. I have a ten year old daughter who is very interested in games, but I know what she's playing and when she is playing it. That is very much MY responsibility. The game and movie companies have already fulfilled their responsibilities by labeling their products appropriately. Peter -September 1, 2004 I think the game is just fine. It's not like the company is forcing anyone to play it/buy it. Of course, people still need to make sure they still know and understand the difference between reality and virtual-reality, because if they get confused... well, we know what happens. Ryan -September 1, 2004 I'll pass. I always have an interest in new graphics capabilities and programmer abilities and art skill (and storyline), but as a parent of young kids I would rather not have them play this and therefore I won't. Luckily I have little desire to. I still have a whole rack of other video games I haven't finished anyway. John -September 3, 2004 Lemmings, all of you... Nothing but lemmings. KW Burton -September 5, 2004 We are a result of our experiences. We all adapt to our surroundings, something which slows as we get more mature. Picture this – what influence did a book you read once have on your perspective on events in your adult life? A kid in Sudan knows how to use an automatic, quite normal in that situation. Now consider what the effect is for immersive video games. All I’m saying is that doing stuff makes it ‘normal’ – we can only guess what the longterm effect this will have on our society. Kev -October 23, 2004 If a parent disregards the M label printed clearly on the front, then they are not smart enough to be parents. I know that if I had a child I would never let them play this game, but so games are appropriate for children. I am a big gamer myself and I always review the game before I play it so I know that I am not getting myself into something I don't like. If a parent can't do that then they shouldn't be parents. Autumn -October 26, 2004 What we all need to realize is that it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their kids the difference between reality and fiction. Sorry if I'm just repeating what's been previously stated, but as a hardcore gamer and an RPG fanatic, that is the truth. I was taught young to recognize the difference, and even though I get into character to the point of feeling what they "feel", I never get confused. I am myself, and though I've created and control many characters with different personalities, that will never change. If a person can't understand that their experiences in a game will probably never reflect their experiences in the real world, they shouldn't be playing games where they have to "get into character" and play a personality that is most often quite noticeably different from their own. Arliss -November 5, 2004 It's not video games that make kids agressive, it's thier parents or the people the environement they're in. if kids can't tell the difference between reality and fanasy, that's the falt of the parents. i'm 15 and play violent games, but i know the difference. It's not like i'm going to go around shooting people, thinking that i'll appear at the nearest hospital. i'm not an idiot, so stop having paraniod dellusions about VGs. if your kids screwed up in the head, it's your falt! Andy -November 22, 2004 The problem in today's society is that everyone blames video games for how kids are behaving. And, truthfully, the ae partially a cause. But not all of it. If parents bring their kids up right, and teach them from right and wrong, and what is real, and not real, most of the problems will solve themselves.In all reality, i have seen too many parents sit their kids in front of the tv, and expect their kids to learn about life through games. If this happens, then yes, they will get violent. But that is because they only thing they know about is what happens in the games. These games only aggravate an already present feeling or feelings. People are too easy to blame the media for all of society's problems. If we would only take the time necessary to spend with our kids, and learn what these games entail, then most of this violence will cease. Andrew -November 29, 2004 There are some kids out there who will take a gun and shoot somebody. But Videogames are not the problem it is the age of the person playing them. I do not think anyone under the age of ten should play a M rated game. There is no reason why they sould play it in the first place. I am 18 years old and i love playing Grand Theft Auto i just think that little kids sould not play M Games Pat -December 1, 2004 In all honesty, i would have to say that no kid under 16 or 17 should play M-rated games. It's the same as letting 13 year-olds into an R-rated movie. It just shouldn't be done. But regardless of their age, if kids are brought up to know what is accepted and what isn't in society, then they would most likely understand that a game is only a game. What ever happened to the "innocence of youth"? I know that society is changing, but shouldn't kids be able to enjoy their childhood, instead of palying video games? I no longer see any "pick-up" hockey, baseball, etc. Whatever happened to imagination? I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with playing video games as a kid, but there is one rule that everybody should follow: Everything in moderation. Andrew -December 3, 2004 Hey at least my parents do there job, I was begging for my 16th birthday to have DOOM3 cause everyone was talking about it at school. We went to the shop to get it, and just as I picked it up, my mom grabbed it out my hand, examined it, read it and then she said: "YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT, THATS GROSSE, SOMTHING LIKE THAT WOULD FREAK YOU OUT, WELL IT WOULD FREAK ME OUT!!!" and I said: "Theres nothing TOO bad, just a little freaky stuff". Then she said: It's a 18 and your 16 no buts. Your not havning it, IT'S got FRIKIN ZOMBIE WITH A CHAINSAW ON THE BACK OF THE BOX FOR GOD's SAKE!!! I did not speak to my mom for a month after that. Anyways I've downloaded the demo and now, I'm to much of a big girls blowse to run it. DAMIT! Guess the ratings people were right. Im Jon Im 16 I live in the UK -December 20, 2004 About what Autumn said, my grandparents bought me Doom 3 for Christmas and I am not even 18!!! Are you insulting my family, because you had better not be! It's adult's choices to buy games for their children and grandchildren and not yours! So what if it is rated M??? I like Doom, damn it! I like the graphics and the fun of it! Oh, yeah, the article was good. I would give it a perfect 7. Dude, your article is good, but I think you should feel safe enough to play the game in front of your kids. My Dad would always play Doom 2 in front of me, and I could even play at his house. Yeah... My dad kicks *** in that game. Autumn, heed my retaliation!!! Joe Cool -January 2, 2005 Dear diary I am living in the UK and I think ponies are just dandy. I like picking roses, but one day, I picked a rose, and it stabbed me. I bleeded and cried and sucked my thumb and I screamed all the way home. I do not know what an article is, but I will give it a perfect ten, because the guy avoids the words pony through the entire article. I did not mention that I played Doom 3 before, and a pinky demon charged at me, and I cried, and I screamed and I sneezed and I laughed and I wet myself all at the same time GayPophead -January 2, 2005 My life is unaffected by Doom 3. Doom 2 is just as good, only not in graphics compared to Doom 3. My word you stupid Autumn, why did you have to criticize the lives of the family members of my friend Joe Cool [all names in our families while in a chat room/ opinion roster must remain confidential] Autumn, whoever you are, I am giving you a piece of my mind when I am telling you: Ratings are only warnings that the content is not for everyone. The ratings do not need to be adhered to, and Joe Cool's grand parents are smart enough to be parents, so, if you want to insult my friend's grand parents, suffer the consequences!!!!!!! This may seem harsh, but it is idiotic of you to judge parents by how they buy games and if they obey the rating or not!!! Oh, yeah, and for the record, I think that if you criticize the parents/grand parents of other people, you are just turning a distraction another way so nobody else finds out what a terrible job you do as a parent. This crap comes from people's mouths every day, and you seem to do this extra-often, you mean criticizer! Oh, yeah, retaliation feels good. Oh, about your article, dude, you seem to be over-protective of your child's egos. Loosen up, you psychotic quack! Remember to pay your malpractice, and understand that a child is not stupid; a child can differ from the real thing and virtual-reality. The stuff in Doom 3 would not suddenly pop up on your doorstep, So it would possibly be good to let your children watch you play Doom 3. You might have to switch them to rubber sheets for a couple nights, but other than that, they would probably build courage, especially if you turn notarget mode on and let them let an imp have it with the chainsaw. Then, they would probably feel that they could take on any challenge. Advice from your local Psychologist, Dockos Mackorphos Dockos Mackorphos -January 2, 2005 About the rating... Why is it that everyone thinks no one under 16 or 17 should play this game? What is so horrible about it? Does everyone really think people are really that inept to be able to tell reality from fiction? I'm 15, and I love this game. (I played the original Doom when I was 4, ok.) I really think this should be rated T, and the M rating changed to 21+ or somewhere near, and reserved for underage drinking, whatever else.... welp really, only that. What's the point of the M and AO rating if there is only one year difference? Refering to what someone said earlier... Why shouldn't 13 year olds be allowed in R rated movies? No one is going to become any more metally mature from the time they're 13 to the time they're 17. Maybe 13 to 25-ish, but not 17. One year will make no difference, and reading about the restrictions of rating because "teens" are "immature" makes me want to be more violent than these games "persuade" me to be... The rating system makes me sick, not this game. bcr8u -January 13, 2005 You are like my brother, bcr8u. I played Doom II when I was 4. I was surprisingly good at that age. My Dad taught me the basics when I was little, but other than that, I have beaten the game left and right, just like my father before me, because even he had help from his friend, Grant. MAn -January 16, 2005 I have a strong opinion, backed with observation of watching my two sons play video games, with ratings for Everyone and Teen and this is what I have discovered. First, they become intraverted...isolated from everyone and everything going on around them. Secondly, they become obsessed with playing the game...playing, if allowed, until they go to bed at night and wanting to play when they first wake up. Thirdly, I have noticed an anger towards anyone who asks them to stop playing. They become so drawn into the game and getting to the "next level" that they have to be told too many times to stop. I, as a parent, wish video games did not exist. But because they do and my children have been exposed to them, outside of our home initially, I have had to deal with this problem. It can be used in a positive way. First, I encourage parents to not allow their children to play anything over the rating of Teen. Anything beyond that is simply too violent. They will become bored with Teen and want Mature, then they will become bored with Mature...then what??? It is called the "law of diminishing return", it is never enough. Use their desire to play to their advantage. Require your child to read aloud to you, along with writing a one paragraph paper on what they read (to make sure they comprehend) in order to earn time on the game. I have my children read 5 books to earn 1 hour's worth of time. I also try not to let them play during the week. School comes first. Hopefully this mom's views will be appreciated and applied in your home. Terri -January 24, 2005 Your Comments (required): Joe Cool -February 4, 2005 Terri, even MY mom wishes video games not to exist, but you have to understand that Tom Sawyer did not have very good hand-eye coordination. Why? He didn't have video games. He just read books and stuff. BORING. Sure, I read a lot of books, but if the world could only have one or the other, I would choose video-games.To play one hour of a game, I don't think it is worth the time to read 5 BOOKS!!! Unless you are talking about small, 10 page books, I still mean what I said.The rating system is, what someone said earlier, what makes me sick, not Doom 3 or any video games.You, Terri, need to learn to not trust the rating system. Those idiots at ESRB don't even know what they're rating. Peeshah!!! That is such Bull Hunky! Joe Cool -February 4, 2005 you cant call doom,finaldoom,or doom3,in my opinion violent its not nearly as violent as the human mind will allow humans as a being created much worse then doom and were worshiped for it like the gladiator games no one had a problem with julius did they. and war humans fight over stupid stuff and any one who has a problem with doom should look at their surroundings for a second theirs worse out there and no one else trys to "help" by geting rid of them. scott -February 10, 2005 I despise the rating system as well. I recently found out that the guys over at ESRB don't even play the games to rate it. The Developer of the game makes a movie of it to give to the people there and that is where they get the rating from. Yah life is BS but I have already learned that lesson. sneakySOB -February 14, 2005 Doom 3 i agree is violent but its really your choice if you don't want your child to see it then don't let your child see it, buy it and play it at a friends or something.Or keep it out of reach from your kids and play it when there not there.When you think its time for them to see it then show them it. If they start getting angry when you tell them to get off the computer or console then just unplug it and tell them you unplugged it and it can't work without it and say if you want this back you are going to have to stop playing so many videogames and instead read or go out and do something else.your kid will obivously want the pc back on so he will do it just to play on it dav -February 15, 2005 It's just a video game.If people can't handle the game than don't buy it.Kids should be taught by parent that video games aren't real and that most video games do have some nasty stuff but lets face it.Most people would rather see Janets breast pop out than a person being killed. adam -February 16, 2005 I really only play games for the Entertainment, but I can really see where the adults are coming from by not letting young children play these 'M' rated games... but I also agree with Cool Joe. There really is equal to or even worse violence/language in movies or TV shows today. Doom 3 has blood and gore but so what? I'm 13 and I have at least 5+ 'M' rated video games that I play with pleasure. I dont play these 'gory' games to unleash violence, but to get it out of my system. Like if someone were to make me mad at school, I'd come home and blow some guts on Halo or Doom 3 for about an hour or so, then I feel refreshed. I mean it really all depends on the kid's mind and how they interperate the violence/language that they see. So to sum it all up, In my opinion these games no matter what rating should be for entertainent use only, not to program a kid into a killing machine. It's not like the games are tools of destruction, secretly manufactured to brainwash the viewer into thinking "Hey that'd be a cool way to blow up one my mortal enemies." or "thats what I'ma do to so and so If he makes fun of me tomorrow, maybe I should bring a gun to school in case he does." fact is It's rediculous but possible. Castillo -February 17, 2005 That game is so awesome they really need more like it. People need to stop crying about video games. Like he said up there its time to put in some work. Nate Dizzle -February 22, 2005 Okay yeah, I'm 14 and I have a copy of this game for PC. I am a bit puzzled, I heard a guy say, 13 year olds shouldnt be playing these games.....hmmmm, I'm 14 and yet this game has no effect on me. Well it does, it has an effect on my fear factor definently raised a notch. I can mentally intake and handle this game fine. The violence..-yes, it is very gory, bloody. If you shoot a demonic marine with a shotgun, he'll explode in a spurting of blood guts which will in turn paint itself on nearby walls. The story of the game, I actually laughed my head off. The story makes the plot of Resident Evil make sound like something Shakespear came up with. Doom is violent, yes, but if u are mature ENOUGH to INTAKE THE GAME MENTALLY then its fine. I dont reccomend 8-year-olds playing this game though, since that will have a mental effect on them. One day an 8-year-old will fall down the steps by accedent and say, "Mommy! Mommy! I got attacked by a demon where's the reset button??!!!" Zachary Cairns -April 2, 2005 Hello im 12 and even I know the difference i mean, i have Halo 2, GTA Vice City, and GTA 3, trust me the parents should know if their kids can handle it. Chris -April 7, 2005 This game isnt as bad as you think, its so fake its funny, and fun. Anyway I let my 8 year old son play this game because he likes killing "bad guys" and trying to avoid the demons of hell, I play with him, mostly when my wife is out, shes not very friendly with these type of games. But Ive been playing Doom since I was 5 and me and my dad got Doom 95 just to play with each other, Im still looking for a mod so I can do that with my son, and I found one! But I agree, this game is much too violent for some children, SOME. Anyway I trust my son and I know he can take it. I also tell him the diffrence between video game and Doom 3. although the exception of one time I told him "If you ever use a gun or say bad words, they are going to get mad at you and steal your cookies at bed time." he went to school the next morning and another kid said "Son of a *****!", my son ran up to him and said "Don't say that! The dead people from hell are going to kill you!" and the yard duty said "kids shouldnt be reading the bible.". I have no clue why he said "kill" or what that yard duty teacher said that but that kid never said said anything like "*****" again and so did many other kids. That phrase catched on faster that the fricken boogie man, im still not sure what I have done was good or bad but... Im off to reserve Doom 4. Dale Kanaska -April 10, 2005 hey im 16 and i own at least 20+ M games and their not that bad, sure there is blood gore but i really don't think kids are run out and start killing people with a chiansaw. Well i have played and beaten the following Mrated games. HALO 2 DOOM 3 GOD OF WAR GTA3,VICE CITY,SANANDRES ETC. (NO WAY AM I AN ADDICT)i have very good grades and adults like these congress people need to stop CRYING anout violenct in video games. Well i bet they go home and play violent video games them selves. I wish to rest my case in saying that adults NEED TO STOP CRYING ABOUT VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES, they need to srtat on things more imoportant like drugs. STIOP CRYING NOW. mark -April 15, 2005 first if you have to waiut till your family goes to bed to play DOOM 3 your sad. why even did i wast my time tyeping this or reading your article. joe -April 15, 2005 The only reason anyone should be worried about their children playing explicitly violent games, is if the childs parents don't pay any attentionto what their children are playing. I'm not saying children should'nt be allowed to play games such as Doom 3, so long as they understand it is just a game, and so long as their parents know what they're playing. Skip -April 16, 2005 "I, as a parent, wish video games did not exist." 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Connected Home Home Networking Home Controls Mobile Home Office Audio Visual Xbox N-Gage Search Forums August 31, 2004 | Paul Thurrott | Getting Connected DOOM 3 Arrives: Technology Apex or Video Game ****? ADVERTISEMENT Download Napster 2.0 In the guise of a space Marine, I slowly wander through a dark and destroyed base on Mars, jumping as demonic voices wail from behind doors and walls. It's a legitimately scary situation, not unlike that of a well-made horror movie, and it's as realistic as something out of my worst nightmares. There's just one difference: This is the DOOM 3 video game I'm describing, not a movie. I'm interacting with its ghastly environment on my PC, not vegging out on the couch or in a movie theater. This somehow makes the experience even scarier, because any movement on my part can trigger a horrific attack from the monsters that populate the base. I haven't jumped this much, literally, since the first DOOM came out over a decade ago. Not coincidentally, I have the same feeling about the latest rendition of this title as I did about the original: As technically impressive as DOOM 3 is, I can't help but think that there's something horribly wrong with enjoying this thing so much. The problem, of course, is the violence. DOOM 3 is epically violent, as you might expect from a first-person shooter. However, unlike similar titles that came before—for example, Half-Life, Quake III Arena, or Unreal Tournament 2004—the action in DOOM 3 is so stunningly realistic and believable that your immersion is much more total, and that gives the violence much greater impact. You feel every creaky floorboard, every swinging light in a darkened room, every explosion of sudden activity deep down, and if you're trigger-happy—and let's face it, in the situations DOOM 3 puts you in, you will be—you'll have plenty of opportunity to dish out as much pain as you receive. Demons, monsters, and zombified ex-Marines and scientists lurch at you from the dark and explode in a riveting display of blood and guts that cover the walls and floors in realistic patterns. You can see the evidence of past ravages as well, and sometimes you simply need to follow an all-too-realistic trail of blood to find the next clue. But don't spend too much time crouching down in the dark: Creatures are watching you. And they're waiting for you to turn your back to them. My wife's opinion notwithstanding, I'm a reasonably mature adult. Although the R-rated violence of DOOM 3—excuse me, it's rated M for Mature in video game speak—is among the most gruesome I've seen in any game title, I can pretty much handle it, assuming most of the lights are on. What I'm increasingly concerned about these days is the effect that a game such as this will have on children. I find it hard to believe that most of the millions of already-sold copies of DOOM 3 are in the hands of adults. Many clueless parents would probably never even realize how realistic this game is or how wrong it would be to allow a kid to play it. And, of course, DOOM 3 is coming out on the Microsoft Xbox system soon, as well. And DOOM 3 isn't a title I can play around my own children. Like most children, my 6-year-old son Mark is a huge fan of video games, and he actually enjoys watching me play certain games on the computer. Whereas the comparatively cartoonish nature of a game like Unreal Tournament 2004 can be fairly easily explained away as a virtual sporting event, the gruesome graphics and scenarios of DOOM 3 would cause too many unwanted questions. But that's what makes DOOM 3 even more like gaming *********** in my mind: It's something to be hidden and not brought out in front of the family. I actually wait until everyone's asleep to play this game. I feel a bit weird about that. In the end, I don't condemn id Software, the makers of DOOM 3, for making the game they wanted to make. Certainly, it has a rich storyline, amazingly developed interactions with non-player characters and the environment, and plenty of gut-wrenching action. And I know enough about the business to know that other companies will license the DOOM 3 technology and create their own games, many of which will be far sunnier and more kid-friendly than id Software's trend-setting title. But as much as I like DOOM 3—I've already completed the game and am now replaying it, more slowly, as if to savor it, in order to make sure I haven't missed anything—I can't shake the feeling that admitting I like something like this is tantamount to admitting that there's something horribly wrong with me. But I'll get over it. I've got work to do. On Mars. Click here to find out more! Article Information Find Related Articles Email this Article Printer-Friendly Reader Comments I think that if you can't enjoy the game (television show, video, etc.) in front of your family, then you probably should not be playing it at all. Violence breeds apathy, and our kids have enough violence to deal with already. I will be avoiding this game (even though I completely enjoyed the first one) at all costs. Todd -September 1, 2004 Everyone is talking about games and movies being to violent. I believe they are too, but people have a right to choose what they play or watch. Why can’t the industries make the games Maturity level selectable and do the same for movies. Richard Nelson -September 1, 2004 The funny thing about games and movies in our era is that these industries, parent groups and the government go out of their way to create ratings systems to keep the public informed about the nature of the content of the products involved and then we get squeamish about the fact that parents around the country are too busy, too tired or too apathetic to make use of the rating systems. I have a ten year old daughter who is very interested in games, but I know what she's playing and when she is playing it. That is very much MY responsibility. The game and movie companies have already fulfilled their responsibilities by labeling their products appropriately. Peter -September 1, 2004 I think the game is just fine. It's not like the company is forcing anyone to play it/buy it. Of course, people still need to make sure they still know and understand the difference between reality and virtual-reality, because if they get confused... well, we know what happens. Ryan -September 1, 2004 I'll pass. I always have an interest in new graphics capabilities and programmer abilities and art skill (and storyline), but as a parent of young kids I would rather not have them play this and therefore I won't. Luckily I have little desire to. I still have a whole rack of other video games I haven't finished anyway. John -September 3, 2004 Lemmings, all of you... Nothing but lemmings. KW Burton -September 5, 2004 We are a result of our experiences. We all adapt to our surroundings, something which slows as we get more mature. Picture this – what influence did a book you read once have on your perspective on events in your adult life? A kid in Sudan knows how to use an automatic, quite normal in that situation. Now consider what the effect is for immersive video games. All I’m saying is that doing stuff makes it ‘normal’ – we can only guess what the longterm effect this will have on our society. Kev -October 23, 2004 If a parent disregards the M label printed clearly on the front, then they are not smart enough to be parents. I know that if I had a child I would never let them play this game, but so games are appropriate for children. I am a big gamer myself and I always review the game before I play it so I know that I am not getting myself into something I don't like. If a parent can't do that then they shouldn't be parents. Autumn -October 26, 2004 What we all need to realize is that it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their kids the difference between reality and fiction. Sorry if I'm just repeating what's been previously stated, but as a hardcore gamer and an RPG fanatic, that is the truth. I was taught young to recognize the difference, and even though I get into character to the point of feeling what they "feel", I never get confused. I am myself, and though I've created and control many characters with different personalities, that will never change. If a person can't understand that their experiences in a game will probably never reflect their experiences in the real world, they shouldn't be playing games where they have to "get into character" and play a personality that is most often quite noticeably different from their own. Arliss -November 5, 2004 It's not video games that make kids agressive, it's thier parents or the people the environement they're in. if kids can't tell the difference between reality and fanasy, that's the falt of the parents. i'm 15 and play violent games, but i know the difference. It's not like i'm going to go around shooting people, thinking that i'll appear at the nearest hospital. i'm not an idiot, so stop having paraniod dellusions about VGs. if your kids screwed up in the head, it's your falt! Andy -November 22, 2004 The problem in today's society is that everyone blames video games for how kids are behaving. And, truthfully, the ae partially a cause. But not all of it. If parents bring their kids up right, and teach them from right and wrong, and what is real, and not real, most of the problems will solve themselves.In all reality, i have seen too many parents sit their kids in front of the tv, and expect their kids to learn about life through games. If this happens, then yes, they will get violent. But that is because they only thing they know about is what happens in the games. These games only aggravate an already present feeling or feelings. People are too easy to blame the media for all of society's problems. If we would only take the time necessary to spend with our kids, and learn what these games entail, then most of this violence will cease. Andrew -November 29, 2004 There are some kids out there who will take a gun and shoot somebody. But Videogames are not the problem it is the age of the person playing them. I do not think anyone under the age of ten should play a M rated game. There is no reason why they sould play it in the first place. I am 18 years old and i love playing Grand Theft Auto i just think that little kids sould not play M Games Pat -December 1, 2004 In all honesty, i would have to say that no kid under 16 or 17 should play M-rated games. It's the same as letting 13 year-olds into an R-rated movie. It just shouldn't be done. But regardless of their age, if kids are brought up to know what is accepted and what isn't in society, then they would most likely understand that a game is only a game. What ever happened to the "innocence of youth"? I know that society is changing, but shouldn't kids be able to enjoy their childhood, instead of palying video games? I no longer see any "pick-up" hockey, baseball, etc. Whatever happened to imagination? I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with playing video games as a kid, but there is one rule that everybody should follow: Everything in moderation. Andrew -December 3, 2004 Hey at least my parents do there job, I was begging for my 16th birthday to have DOOM3 cause everyone was talking about it at school. We went to the shop to get it, and just as I picked it up, my mom grabbed it out my hand, examined it, read it and then she said: "YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT, THATS GROSSE, SOMTHING LIKE THAT WOULD FREAK YOU OUT, WELL IT WOULD FREAK ME OUT!!!" and I said: "Theres nothing TOO bad, just a little freaky stuff". Then she said: It's a 18 and your 16 no buts. Your not havning it, IT'S got FRIKIN ZOMBIE WITH A CHAINSAW ON THE BACK OF THE BOX FOR GOD's SAKE!!! I did not speak to my mom for a month after that. Anyways I've downloaded the demo and now, I'm to much of a big girls blowse to run it. DAMIT! Guess the ratings people were right. Im Jon Im 16 I live in the UK -December 20, 2004 About what Autumn said, my grandparents bought me Doom 3 for Christmas and I am not even 18!!! Are you insulting my family, because you had better not be! It's adult's choices to buy games for their children and grandchildren and not yours! So what if it is rated M??? I like Doom, damn it! I like the graphics and the fun of it! Oh, yeah, the article was good. I would give it a perfect 7. Dude, your article is good, but I think you should feel safe enough to play the game in front of your kids. My Dad would always play Doom 2 in front of me, and I could even play at his house. Yeah... My dad kicks *** in that game. Autumn, heed my retaliation!!! Joe Cool -January 2, 2005 Dear diary I am living in the UK and I think ponies are just dandy. I like picking roses, but one day, I picked a rose, and it stabbed me. I bleeded and cried and sucked my thumb and I screamed all the way home. I do not know what an article is, but I will give it a perfect ten, because the guy avoids the words pony through the entire article. I did not mention that I played Doom 3 before, and a pinky demon charged at me, and I cried, and I screamed and I sneezed and I laughed and I wet myself all at the same time GayPophead -January 2, 2005 My life is unaffected by Doom 3. Doom 2 is just as good, only not in graphics compared to Doom 3. My word you stupid Autumn, why did you have to criticize the lives of the family members of my friend Joe Cool [all names in our families while in a chat room/ opinion roster must remain confidential] Autumn, whoever you are, I am giving you a piece of my mind when I am telling you: Ratings are only warnings that the content is not for everyone. The ratings do not need to be adhered to, and Joe Cool's grand parents are smart enough to be parents, so, if you want to insult my friend's grand parents, suffer the consequences!!!!!!! This may seem harsh, but it is idiotic of you to judge parents by how they buy games and if they obey the rating or not!!! Oh, yeah, and for the record, I think that if you criticize the parents/grand parents of other people, you are just turning a distraction another way so nobody else finds out what a terrible job you do as a parent. This crap comes from people's mouths every day, and you seem to do this extra-often, you mean criticizer! Oh, yeah, retaliation feels good. Oh, about your article, dude, you seem to be over-protective of your child's egos. Loosen up, you psychotic quack! Remember to pay your malpractice, and understand that a child is not stupid; a child can differ from the real thing and virtual-reality. The stuff in Doom 3 would not suddenly pop up on your doorstep, So it would possibly be good to let your children watch you play Doom 3. You might have to switch them to rubber sheets for a couple nights, but other than that, they would probably build courage, especially if you turn notarget mode on and let them let an imp have it with the chainsaw. Then, they would probably feel that they could take on any challenge. Advice from your local Psychologist, Dockos Mackorphos Dockos Mackorphos -January 2, 2005 About the rating... Why is it that everyone thinks no one under 16 or 17 should play this game? What is so horrible about it? Does everyone really think people are really that inept to be able to tell reality from fiction? I'm 15, and I love this game. (I played the original Doom when I was 4, ok.) I really think this should be rated T, and the M rating changed to 21+ or somewhere near, and reserved for underage drinking, whatever else.... welp really, only that. What's the point of the M and AO rating if there is only one year difference? Refering to what someone said earlier... Why shouldn't 13 year olds be allowed in R rated movies? No one is going to become any more metally mature from the time they're 13 to the time they're 17. Maybe 13 to 25-ish, but not 17. One year will make no difference, and reading about the restrictions of rating because "teens" are "immature" makes me want to be more violent than these games "persuade" me to be... The rating system makes me sick, not this game. bcr8u -January 13, 2005 You are like my brother, bcr8u. I played Doom II when I was 4. I was surprisingly good at that age. My Dad taught me the basics when I was little, but other than that, I have beaten the game left and right, just like my father before me, because even he had help from his friend, Grant. MAn -January 16, 2005 I have a strong opinion, backed with observation of watching my two sons play video games, with ratings for Everyone and Teen and this is what I have discovered. First, they become intraverted...isolated from everyone and everything going on around them. Secondly, they become obsessed with playing the game...playing, if allowed, until they go to bed at night and wanting to play when they first wake up. Thirdly, I have noticed an anger towards anyone who asks them to stop playing. They become so drawn into the game and getting to the "next level" that they have to be told too many times to stop. I, as a parent, wish video games did not exist. But because they do and my children have been exposed to them, outside of our home initially, I have had to deal with this problem. It can be used in a positive way. First, I encourage parents to not allow their children to play anything over the rating of Teen. Anything beyond that is simply too violent. They will become bored with Teen and want Mature, then they will become bored with Mature...then what??? It is called the "law of diminishing return", it is never enough. Use their desire to play to their advantage. Require your child to read aloud to you, along with writing a one paragraph paper on what they read (to make sure they comprehend) in order to earn time on the game. I have my children read 5 books to earn 1 hour's worth of time. I also try not to let them play during the week. School comes first. Hopefully this mom's views will be appreciated and applied in your home. Terri -January 24, 2005 Your Comments (required): Joe Cool -February 4, 2005 Terri, even MY mom wishes video games not to exist, but you have to understand that Tom Sawyer did not have very good hand-eye coordination. Why? He didn't have video games. He just read books and stuff. BORING. Sure, I read a lot of books, but if the world could only have one or the other, I would choose video-games.To play one hour of a game, I don't think it is worth the time to read 5 BOOKS!!! Unless you are talking about small, 10 page books, I still mean what I said.The rating system is, what someone said earlier, what makes me sick, not Doom 3 or any video games.You, Terri, need to learn to not trust the rating system. Those idiots at ESRB don't even know what they're rating. Peeshah!!! That is such Bull Hunky! Joe Cool -February 4, 2005 you cant call doom,finaldoom,or doom3,in my opinion violent its not nearly as violent as the human mind will allow humans as a being created much worse then doom and were worshiped for it like the gladiator games no one had a problem with julius did they. and war humans fight over stupid stuff and any one who has a problem with doom should look at their surroundings for a second theirs worse out there and no one else trys to "help" by geting rid of them. scott -February 10, 2005 I despise the rating system as well. I recently found out that the guys over at ESRB don't even play the games to rate it. The Developer of the game makes a movie of it to give to the people there and that is where they get the rating from. Yah life is BS but I have already learned that lesson. sneakySOB -February 14, 2005 Doom 3 i agree is violent but its really your choice if you don't want your child to see it then don't let your child see it, buy it and play it at a friends or something.Or keep it out of reach from your kids and play it when there not there.When you think its time for them to see it then show them it. If they start getting angry when you tell them to get off the computer or console then just unplug it and tell them you unplugged it and it can't work without it and say if you want this back you are going to have to stop playing so many videogames and instead read or go out and do something else.your kid will obivously want the pc back on so he will do it just to play on it dav -February 15, 2005 It's just a video game.If people can't handle the game than don't buy it.Kids should be taught by parent that video games aren't real and that most video games do have some nasty stuff but lets face it.Most people would rather see Janets breast pop out than a person being killed. adam -February 16, 2005 I really only play games for the Entertainment, but I can really see where the adults are coming from by not letting young children play these 'M' rated games... but I also agree with Cool Joe. There really is equal to or even worse violence/language in movies or TV shows today. Doom 3 has blood and gore but so what? I'm 13 and I have at least 5+ 'M' rated video games that I play with pleasure. I dont play these 'gory' games to unleash violence, but to get it out of my system. Like if someone were to make me mad at school, I'd come home and blow some guts on Halo or Doom 3 for about an hour or so, then I feel refreshed. I mean it really all depends on the kid's mind and how they interperate the violence/language that they see. So to sum it all up, In my opinion these games no matter what rating should be for entertainent use only, not to program a kid into a killing machine. It's not like the games are tools of destruction, secretly manufactured to brainwash the viewer into thinking "Hey that'd be a cool way to blow up one my mortal enemies." or "thats what I'ma do to so and so If he makes fun of me tomorrow, maybe I should bring a gun to school in case he does." fact is It's rediculous but possible. Castillo -February 17, 2005 That game is so awesome they really need more like it. People need to stop crying about video games. Like he said up there its time to put in some work. Nate Dizzle -February 22, 2005 Okay yeah, I'm 14 and I have a copy of this game for PC. I am a bit puzzled, I heard a guy say, 13 year olds shouldnt be playing these games.....hmmmm, I'm 14 and yet this game has no effect on me. Well it does, it has an effect on my fear factor definently raised a notch. I can mentally intake and handle this game fine. The violence..-yes, it is very gory, bloody. If you shoot a demonic marine with a shotgun, he'll explode in a spurting of blood guts which will in turn paint itself on nearby walls. The story of the game, I actually laughed my head off. The story makes the plot of Resident Evil make sound like something Shakespear came up with. Doom is violent, yes, but if u are mature ENOUGH to INTAKE THE GAME MENTALLY then its fine. I dont reccomend 8-year-olds playing this game though, since that will have a mental effect on them. One day an 8-year-old will fall down the steps by accedent and say, "Mommy! Mommy! I got attacked by a demon where's the reset button??!!!" Zachary Cairns -April 2, 2005 Hello im 12 and even I know the difference i mean, i have Halo 2, GTA Vice City, and GTA 3, trust me the parents should know if their kids can handle it. Chris -April 7, 2005 This game isnt as bad as you think, its so fake its funny, and fun. Anyway I let my 8 year old son play this game because he likes killing "bad guys" and trying to avoid the demons of hell, I play with him, mostly when my wife is out, shes not very friendly with these type of games. But Ive been playing Doom since I was 5 and me and my dad got Doom 95 just to play with each other, Im still looking for a mod so I can do that with my son, and I found one! But I agree, this game is much too violent for some children, SOME. Anyway I trust my son and I know he can take it. I also tell him the diffrence between video game and Doom 3. although the exception of one time I told him "If you ever use a gun or say bad words, they are going to get mad at you and steal your cookies at bed time." he went to school the next morning and another kid said "Son of a *****!", my son ran up to him and said "Don't say that! The dead people from hell are going to kill you!" and the yard duty said "kids shouldnt be reading the bible.". I have no clue why he said "kill" or what that yard duty teacher said that but that kid never said said anything like "*****" again and so did many other kids. That phrase catched on faster that the fricken boogie man, im still not sure what I have done was good or bad but... Im off to reserve Doom 4. Dale Kanaska -April 10, 2005 hey im 16 and i own at least 20+ M games and their not that bad, sure there is blood gore but i really don't think kids are run out and start killing people with a chiansaw. Well i have played and beaten the following Mrated games. HALO 2 DOOM 3 GOD OF WAR GTA3,VICE CITY,SANANDRES ETC. (NO WAY AM I AN ADDICT)i have very good grades and adults like these congress people need to stop CRYING anout violenct in video games. Well i bet they go home and play violent video games them selves. I wish to rest my case in saying that adults NEED TO STOP CRYING ABOUT VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES, they need to srtat on things more imoportant like drugs. STIOP CRYING NOW. mark -April 15, 2005 first if you have to waiut till your family goes to bed to play DOOM 3 your sad. why even did i wast my time tyeping this or reading your article. joe -April 15, 2005 The only reason anyone should be worried about their children playing explicitly violent games, is if the childs parents don't pay any attentionto what their children are playing. I'm not saying children should'nt be allowed to play games such as Doom 3, so long as they understand it is just a game, and so long as their parents know what they're playing. Skip -April 16, 2005 "I, as a parent, wish video games did not exist." 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mat -April 18, 2005
I have just gotton doom 3 now and its very fun and im 12!!!!!!!! good lord your a buncha whiners thinking that M rated games are bad for people under 18. thats just SICK!!!!!
Chris -April 25, 2005
YOU ARE ALL FAT NERDS AND YOU CAN ALL GO **** YOUR SELF'S
cock -July 24, 2005
I am not fat and I have been playing M rated games since I was 9 and I am 13
BoB -January 1, 2006
Well, this arguement is in the eye of the beholder, if your a parent and think that an M game is too violent then think that, and dont let them play it. But dont get mad at someone else because they have a mature child that understands right from wrong and real from not real, I'm 13 and I play 'M' games, but I never have an urge to go out and do what I see, and 'T' games are enough for me most of the time, the only 'M' games i have are Fable and Halo 2, and they arn't that bad. Doom 3 doesn't have nudity or sex in it, so I don't see the problem in it. All it is, is a reason to explain that violence is out there, but you don't have to get involved!
Bob -January 2, 2006
I remember gaining access to a secret compartment in my dad's closet when i was 7 or 8. that summer morning, i watched a group-sex orgy on VHS that totally knocked my socks off. I'm 20 today...and i'm not a sex addict of predator. sure, i'm short-tempered and have been in a few fistfights...but that's just human nature. i don't blame video games: i 'prob' wouldn't let my 7-year-old kid play Doom 3 because then he/she would get scared, and probably want to sleep in me & my wife's bed for the rest of the month, directly affecting my sex life - NOT because I'm afraid my kid's gonna go postal on the neighborhood.
Norman -March 4, 2006
I agree that parents should be aware of games that they are buying for their children, but I'm 16, and more mature than most my age. I own Doom 3, and have played it often. It isn't that realistic, Half-Life 2 was more realistic than this in terms of graphics. Everything else I agree with, though I play Doom 3 during the day, in front of my parents, who also bought me GTA: San Andreas for me, and the only one not allowed to watch is my one year old brother. He got afraid of the dark thanks to the game, and to the movie. And I agree with Norman. I've been playing for a year now, and I'm a fine (Although odd, not any fault of the game) individual. I like it.
Austin -June 23, 2006
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